he's got to get on offense about the economy. he's got to pin the economy on joe biden and barack obama, and he can't get into the policy weeds. he's got to be that visionary. so he's got to appear to be more the ceo than the cfo, in terms of how he phrases and how he conducts himself in the debate. and then, finally, he's got to show that he's got a command of the economy. we've heard he does, but now's the chance for folks to really get to see that on display in the debate tonight. >> so i think for both men, some of the challenges we've actually seen in the run-up. for joe biden, of course, it's the gaffes that people now talk about all the time. let me play a little chunk of what i would call kind of a typical error from him. listen. >> it was wonderful for children, by the way. having your grandpop live with you. having your great aunt and your uncle, for real. but those walls were awful thin. i wonder how the hell my parents did it. but that's a different story. >> i would say that's kind of a typical one. paul ryan, we've